KAREN BALDWIN
August 12, 2004:
Karen: ok I am hearing mom, ok, that there was a mixed confusion and the butting of heads ok over the way that this was processed or should I say not processed legalities failed, things were left hanging ok it is still an opened case to this day ok… we are talking about some years ok because I am getting ah I am going backwards ok and I am seeing a clock and time go backwards, there’s a significance to the month of March ok. May I ask was your brother’s birthday in March by chance?
Sister: February um… 10th
Karen: Ok
Sister: I have a brother whose birthday is in March. A brother who is still here.
Karen: Ok then bear with me to get that close there is something being tied in here. Ok I feel as though if there is significance to the missing of the brother ok the month of M arch ok the significance of that month is coming to furwishin for me ok I get the impression of three people ok I get hostility with two ok I also get the impression of a vehicle but nothing found in it ok everything just there ok (coughing and then silence) I get the impression that there were two individuals involved in this male’s missing he is not alive. Ok I need to imply that to you.
Sister: I have felt that for a while
Karen: Yeah he um he is in an area hilly rocky ok I don’t see greenery around this area ok, tan there is something about tan ok I see tan um and I believe this is either a pant or a shirt because I feel this is fabric ok, I feel and indentation to the pituitary area back of my head on the right side of body ok I get a disagreement between two people um and this was pertaining to things that were talked of things that were brought together ok I see a footprint that was found and yet not leading in any direction. Ok. There is a motorcycle sounds like a two stroke sounds like a two stroke engine to me uh I cant see it but I hear a motorized vehicle ok sounds like a two cycle engine ok uh I feel as if this is the way that the individual that left this area ok I believe that this is the way he left this area yeah I believe that the brother is still in this vicinity it is a long ways away from here and when I say here I mean Salt lake city it is not here does that make sense to you dear?
Sister: No I wouldn’t know where he would be but he spent a lot of time in the Rockies.
Karen: mm hmm yeah I uh I get the impression here of a gentleman with a either a speech impediment because I get the lisp coming to me ok and or an accent and this is the individual this is the individual that helped your brother to cross over. There were two individuals however that was involved in the case ok this was not a one sided thing ok I don’t understand the confusion of things that were talked of prior to the death ok but it was built up because there was too many things that suggested ok involvement alright involvement in different areas to many suggestive things that come together and you have this you have this around you there’s a picture sweetheart picture that I see close to you in my mind it appears to be about the size of an 8x10 ok but my mom’s telling me it’s a 5x7 ok I am not going to go against my mother I am going to say she’s right ok and I feel that this is close to you, does that make sense to you? Ok because I feel as if he is involved in this to you he has on at least three occasions come close to you.
Sister: Try to contact me from the other side
Karen: Yes, with this female. This female is connected to mom it’s the only way that I know how to say it. Because as I speak to her I keep hearing Mom, mom, mom
Sister: So my mom is speaking
Karen: Ok that’s what I keep hearing. Ok because I cant visually see her I just see light
Sister: Yeah and she loved (something I can’t understand)
Karen: ok were right there um
Sister: I have the rug that she died on at my house…………(something else I can’t understand) I also have pictures of my brother up in the same room set up
Karen: Click Click Click that’s exactly what she’s talking about ok you notice I am ringing right now ok yes yes yes she’s excited because she wants me to express to you that you are in the right area you are in the right area ok there is something about her seeing two that caused this ok you are wanting to know if they are together no however she is aware of the mishap because she had a lot of confusion while she was here about all of this situation and the circumstances going up to this ok she couldn’t prove anything couldn’t prove anything she talked herself silly ok to two individuals uh with badges law ok trying to imply that there was more there was insufficient evidence and so it stopped in its tracks ok you just got these pictures you just got these pictures because I am implying to her can you talk to me about these pictures and she’s bring to my thought that these are things that you have just recently done ok that they are set in accordance she’s implying the thing that hangs the thing that hangs ok that this is a beautiful thing ok this is something that you have paid attention to ok something that hangs but I feel like when she was here that this was hers ok something that hangs ok and I am attracted to that this is something that is mine it is a memory a gift a gift a gift and I get the impression that this is something that you have ok and it is of hers
Sister: I should check that out
Karen: ok that was the son there was something here with jewelry ok and I feel connected to the son and mom connected to the son and mom and time
Sister: Sun (son) meaning above?
Karen: and Time ok she is implying two, two deceased two ok we are talking about two sons not one, we are talking about two ok
Sister: Two of her sons?
Karen: Yes.
Sister: Yes She lost to sons
Karen: Yes She wants me to embrace that to you she wants me to tell you two… things left…she says there is so much confusion over the things that were left undone ok she insists that you need to move forward because it Is evident, she is showing me a book ok I am going to call it a manuscript ok because that is the way that it is appearing to me and she wants me to show you this
Sister: mmmHmm I am working on
Karen: that’s what she wants me to this she says
Sister: to move on with it, keep going
Karen: Yes because you are there you are in the right area. Marlin Marla who is this? M connected to
Sister: to her?
Karen: Yes
Sister: (silence)
Karen: I am seeing police tape, police tape implies to me that there has been a problem ok um … two people…related to who?..money issues…ok…what I am getting is there was something here related to money issues in regards to the brother that went missing ok I get the impression of two people not one but two people that this man had involvement with ok there was some kind of money owed ok
Sister: and I encourage you that even if my brother was in the wrong to… just whatever you can tell me
Karen: In all fairness I do believe that he had some sort of illegal uh perception going on her ok I just cant tell of what I can only tell you that money was involved and I believe that he literally was going away from one problem area to only get into a deeper problem area and that’s the only way that I would even know how to start to talk about it, its not one that comes across as being clear to me its one that come across in bits and pieces ok things that were talked about but he wouldn’t talk to others about ok he knew he was getting himself into some hot water ok he did know he was getting into some hot water but I don’t think he took it for truth just for how deep he was getting in ok I am not talking to him but I don’t believe that he is here I don’t believe he is here physically and the world of the living if you will ok um my feeling is is that there is …uh….mmm…..there is immense trauma that I feel to the head ok and I smell like a carbon monoxide yeah I am smelling fumes from a vehicle of some sort what appears to be a road road not asphalt its not asphalt there is a roadway ok but I don’t get asphalt on it ok there are thickets around so it is not a clearing ok its brushy trees uh its not a its not what I would call a city limit thing ok if anything it’s a oh for heaven’s sake… the cows the cows are back this would imply country or far enough to where cows can live ok I can defiantly smell …from the exhaust…I don’t know why but I feel like he was transported from one place to another by a vehicle and I get two two I also get the impression of a female ok in the background I cant see her but I do get the impression of a female involved
Sister: are they strangers
Karen: No No
Sister: Someone that I might know?
Karen: I feel as though I feel that you have had some sort of how do I say this opportunity to be close to the female at some time ok not necessarily the same room at the same time but in close proximity I do believe you have seen her I do believe you know of her ok but uh I don’t think she’s the one that did it ok I think he did it and I get two males two males but for some reason there is influence here and I feel fear for her fear of being involved in something that was very uh mmm..ohh.. intrusive hard frightening this wasn’t a planned thing for her she was involved in it ok she was involved in the sense that she had involvement with your brother ok um ohhh you say that you would like to know as much as you could the funny thing about this is they cleaned house pretty good these two males knew what they were doing they had it in essence I want to say planned ok but it could have went one of two ways ok it could have been that he didn’t go missing ok he couldn’t come up with the funds that they wanted ok and I don’t believe in all fairness I don’t believe that you are ever going to find any kind of remains I believe that that is something that is just un approachable ok um I think the hard part here is the acceptance because it was bad enough one but I get three people leaving so it was bad enough that one was leaving but you’ve had three all together that are gone ok the one left with illness the one left with illness the other left with tragedy ..man.. its almost like right here in the pituitary area is where I am feeling a tremendous amount of pain discomfort and I want to call it trauma ok my nose is sore something happed to his nose his hands were bound ok I do not believe that he didn’t have a chance to fight he didn’t have a chance ok I do get the impression that his hands were bound um there’s a I don’t necessarily call it a forest but I can get a grove of trees and then an opening then a grove of trees and then an opening I can see a road but it is not asphalt ok but then it is not dirt either so there is a substance there that reminds me of an old dirt road ok but there is something there and I don’t know if it compacted gravel but it is not asphalt ok I feel like there is also ditches on the sides of the road ok these ditches are possibly 2-3 feet deep ok this would imply water this would imply that at sometime or another water runs through this area ok because it is being traveled its being guided ok in the distance its like I am seeing lights im going to say its away from town ok if I had to take a guess 10 miles 15 miles its not that far out and yet where this is is not where people frequent 24 I can see a white sign that says 24 so its got to be a highway or a byway ok it’s a state road ok 24 uhh your giving me map circumferences that’s what your giving me gj god now I understand you your giving me a G J ok got something here this is a state road ok this 24 this SRI these are map coordinates ok 13 18 G J ok so on one side of the map there’ll be number on the other side of the map will be uh letters ok when you find the circumference I’ll bet you your going to see this state road ok that’s a beginning
Sister: Ok
Karen: I don’t think we ever got this before ok while it’s a white sign a state road umm I am trying to think of anything else closer there’s a metal ok there’s a metal sign ok and its got a bunch of numbers that go up the side and 3 or 4 that might go up the top then there’s a reflector here and a reflector here this is some sort of an old mile post ok its white ok its white in color I don’t know there’s a string numbers theres got to be at least ten numbers with uhhh m j I number number number s number number number d o t t traffic no migs dot there’s like those little things there a lot of information on this thing this is a route it’s a route highway it’s a route its not a highway so it’s a route ok. 1962 who was born in 1962?
Sister: The last of the sisters were ’59 I don’t know about 62.
Karen: OK because 62 1962 is coming real strong ok and its route route is before it ok
Sister: do you think it might be a car?
Karen: oh wow it’s possible its possible uh lets see what month did he go missing? March February?
Sister: uhh no his birthdays February, you did get March last time umm but it was the summer it was like summer of 79 I think
Karen: because you know what I think for some reason that he had something to do I am getting February which you said is birthday
Sister: His birthday is February 9th
Karen: ok so we will circle that because I am getting the month of February then I am also getting the month of March as being significant ok
Sister: now do you get anything about guns or maybe he was selling that or drugs or maybe that doesn’t matter. These two gentlemen are they relative?
Karen: If I had to guess and this is just an educated guess of what I am getting here umm I think that he died in march ok the 1962 its possible that it could have something to do with a license plate I am not going to swear to it because seeing this route sign here with all these numbers there is significance to it I just don’t know what it is. Ok but I see route and I see 1962 ok I feel that he left in March ok I do get the impression of drugs and I do believe that he go over his head he was a in my in my analogy of him I would say that he was someone who enjoyed I little party uh kind of let your hair down I think that he over stepped I think he over stepped with the female the female is brought into this because of some sort of direct involvement with the two males I do feel that there was a large amount of money that was owed ok now
Sister: was the female a girlfriend?
Karen: yeah I think so and I think that this was someone he was seeing prior to him missing I believe that this was someone that he saw pretty regularly ok for an amount of time but don’t believe she had anything to do with his death but I do believe she did know the person that did do the deed. And she is not here in Utah she is either in Michigan State because It is MIGS and then a bunch of numbers here this is a road sign an old road sign. Used to be like a mile marker ok now we just have big ol green signs that stick up with numbers on them this here this here is different this is way old ok this also suggests an old area an area that is not frequented by people ok
Sister: Do you get any inkling with initials or names
Karen: SC SC has to do with the female ok uh martin Mitchell I keep getting males names Martin Mitchell uh my writing is atrocious Martin Mitchell Males umm B B Butchy butchy we are either talking about a nickname or something that one of these males were butchy butchy butcher no butchy butch blue license plate blue and white license plate
Sister: this will help narrow down the state
Karen: yep blue and white license plate MI Michigan state I wonder if Michigan has blue and white license plates
Sister: Yeah I will have to research it in the past because it would have been in 79, its either Minnesota or
Karen: yeah because I am seeing blue and white backgrounds blue white writing ok and there’s significance to it I am also seeing something that appears to be like an el Camino ok because its go the car wagon thing in the back I don’t know why I am seeing it but I am noticing that um hmm I’m going to ask you a question Do you have anything physical of his still with you after all these years?
Sister: Yes, would that help
Karen: Do me a favor bring it in to me because you know I am going to tell you I am getting to many things here umm and I would like to try to use my psychometrics to see if there is anyway I can hone in on this cause I am getting to many different things for it to not be significant but I would really like to put it into order ok
Sister: A piece of paper with his handwriting on it or would that work?
Karen: yeah uh huh
Sister: because I have one of his books and he has all sorts of corrections in his own hand writings
Karen: yeah yes yes uh is there is anything that would have his energy
Sister: yeah because he was typing on this page writing on it holding it
Karen: yeah there is something about this whatever it was he got involved in he got in over his head and he was over his head before he even realized it ok he wasn’t a bad sort
Sister: he was just extremely depressed I mean he left us planning on never coming back but then he didn’t know he was going to be murdered
Karen: yeah exactly
Sister he thought he couldn’t function in his family anymore and it was to painful for us to see
Karen: Yeah no I feel I feel that this person choose to have this involvement with these people and maybe it was out of need do you know what I am saying uh I do get the impression of drugs in the background mmm but yeah I would like to try to hone in on this ok because if I am getting names blue and white license plates butchy uhh
Sister yeah we’ll have another session and you can just focus on that
Karen: there is some kind of significance to this I don’t mind writing down in fact go ahead because its funny whenever I start drawing sometimes its even more than what we thought it was
Sister yeah because sometimes you don’t know like you said early and after a while I might mention the name butchy and someone might go ohmygod
Karen: yeah yeah there is something here that is really its there but I can’t put my finger on it ok and you mentioned guns I saw a gun but in seeing it and hearing it are two different areas for me ok I could smell exhaust that would imply being taken from one area to another ok and not in the seat of a car
Sister: In the trunk?
Karen: mmm hmm mm hmm so I would like to use my psychometrics and see it I could come up with something
Sister: yes absolutely
August 12, 2004:
Karen: ok I am hearing mom, ok, that there was a mixed confusion and the butting of heads ok over the way that this was processed or should I say not processed legalities failed, things were left hanging ok it is still an opened case to this day ok… we are talking about some years ok because I am getting ah I am going backwards ok and I am seeing a clock and time go backwards, there’s a significance to the month of March ok. May I ask was your brother’s birthday in March by chance?
Sister: February um… 10th
Karen: Ok
Sister: I have a brother whose birthday is in March. A brother who is still here.
Karen: Ok then bear with me to get that close there is something being tied in here. Ok I feel as though if there is significance to the missing of the brother ok the month of M arch ok the significance of that month is coming to furwishin for me ok I get the impression of three people ok I get hostility with two ok I also get the impression of a vehicle but nothing found in it ok everything just there ok (coughing and then silence) I get the impression that there were two individuals involved in this male’s missing he is not alive. Ok I need to imply that to you.
Sister: I have felt that for a while
Karen: Yeah he um he is in an area hilly rocky ok I don’t see greenery around this area ok, tan there is something about tan ok I see tan um and I believe this is either a pant or a shirt because I feel this is fabric ok, I feel and indentation to the pituitary area back of my head on the right side of body ok I get a disagreement between two people um and this was pertaining to things that were talked of things that were brought together ok I see a footprint that was found and yet not leading in any direction. Ok. There is a motorcycle sounds like a two stroke sounds like a two stroke engine to me uh I cant see it but I hear a motorized vehicle ok sounds like a two cycle engine ok uh I feel as if this is the way that the individual that left this area ok I believe that this is the way he left this area yeah I believe that the brother is still in this vicinity it is a long ways away from here and when I say here I mean Salt lake city it is not here does that make sense to you dear?
Sister: No I wouldn’t know where he would be but he spent a lot of time in the Rockies.
Karen: mm hmm yeah I uh I get the impression here of a gentleman with a either a speech impediment because I get the lisp coming to me ok and or an accent and this is the individual this is the individual that helped your brother to cross over. There were two individuals however that was involved in the case ok this was not a one sided thing ok I don’t understand the confusion of things that were talked of prior to the death ok but it was built up because there was too many things that suggested ok involvement alright involvement in different areas to many suggestive things that come together and you have this you have this around you there’s a picture sweetheart picture that I see close to you in my mind it appears to be about the size of an 8x10 ok but my mom’s telling me it’s a 5x7 ok I am not going to go against my mother I am going to say she’s right ok and I feel that this is close to you, does that make sense to you? Ok because I feel as if he is involved in this to you he has on at least three occasions come close to you.
Sister: Try to contact me from the other side
Karen: Yes, with this female. This female is connected to mom it’s the only way that I know how to say it. Because as I speak to her I keep hearing Mom, mom, mom
Sister: So my mom is speaking
Karen: Ok that’s what I keep hearing. Ok because I cant visually see her I just see light
Sister: Yeah and she loved (something I can’t understand)
Karen: ok were right there um
Sister: I have the rug that she died on at my house…………(something else I can’t understand) I also have pictures of my brother up in the same room set up
Karen: Click Click Click that’s exactly what she’s talking about ok you notice I am ringing right now ok yes yes yes she’s excited because she wants me to express to you that you are in the right area you are in the right area ok there is something about her seeing two that caused this ok you are wanting to know if they are together no however she is aware of the mishap because she had a lot of confusion while she was here about all of this situation and the circumstances going up to this ok she couldn’t prove anything couldn’t prove anything she talked herself silly ok to two individuals uh with badges law ok trying to imply that there was more there was insufficient evidence and so it stopped in its tracks ok you just got these pictures you just got these pictures because I am implying to her can you talk to me about these pictures and she’s bring to my thought that these are things that you have just recently done ok that they are set in accordance she’s implying the thing that hangs the thing that hangs ok that this is a beautiful thing ok this is something that you have paid attention to ok something that hangs but I feel like when she was here that this was hers ok something that hangs ok and I am attracted to that this is something that is mine it is a memory a gift a gift a gift and I get the impression that this is something that you have ok and it is of hers
Sister: I should check that out
Karen: ok that was the son there was something here with jewelry ok and I feel connected to the son and mom connected to the son and mom and time
Sister: Sun (son) meaning above?
Karen: and Time ok she is implying two, two deceased two ok we are talking about two sons not one, we are talking about two ok
Sister: Two of her sons?
Karen: Yes.
Sister: Yes She lost to sons
Karen: Yes She wants me to embrace that to you she wants me to tell you two… things left…she says there is so much confusion over the things that were left undone ok she insists that you need to move forward because it Is evident, she is showing me a book ok I am going to call it a manuscript ok because that is the way that it is appearing to me and she wants me to show you this
Sister: mmmHmm I am working on
Karen: that’s what she wants me to this she says
Sister: to move on with it, keep going
Karen: Yes because you are there you are in the right area. Marlin Marla who is this? M connected to
Sister: to her?
Karen: Yes
Sister: (silence)
Karen: I am seeing police tape, police tape implies to me that there has been a problem ok um … two people…related to who?..money issues…ok…what I am getting is there was something here related to money issues in regards to the brother that went missing ok I get the impression of two people not one but two people that this man had involvement with ok there was some kind of money owed ok
Sister: and I encourage you that even if my brother was in the wrong to… just whatever you can tell me
Karen: In all fairness I do believe that he had some sort of illegal uh perception going on her ok I just cant tell of what I can only tell you that money was involved and I believe that he literally was going away from one problem area to only get into a deeper problem area and that’s the only way that I would even know how to start to talk about it, its not one that comes across as being clear to me its one that come across in bits and pieces ok things that were talked about but he wouldn’t talk to others about ok he knew he was getting himself into some hot water ok he did know he was getting into some hot water but I don’t think he took it for truth just for how deep he was getting in ok I am not talking to him but I don’t believe that he is here I don’t believe he is here physically and the world of the living if you will ok um my feeling is is that there is …uh….mmm…..there is immense trauma that I feel to the head ok and I smell like a carbon monoxide yeah I am smelling fumes from a vehicle of some sort what appears to be a road road not asphalt its not asphalt there is a roadway ok but I don’t get asphalt on it ok there are thickets around so it is not a clearing ok its brushy trees uh its not a its not what I would call a city limit thing ok if anything it’s a oh for heaven’s sake… the cows the cows are back this would imply country or far enough to where cows can live ok I can defiantly smell …from the exhaust…I don’t know why but I feel like he was transported from one place to another by a vehicle and I get two two I also get the impression of a female ok in the background I cant see her but I do get the impression of a female involved
Sister: are they strangers
Karen: No No
Sister: Someone that I might know?
Karen: I feel as though I feel that you have had some sort of how do I say this opportunity to be close to the female at some time ok not necessarily the same room at the same time but in close proximity I do believe you have seen her I do believe you know of her ok but uh I don’t think she’s the one that did it ok I think he did it and I get two males two males but for some reason there is influence here and I feel fear for her fear of being involved in something that was very uh mmm..ohh.. intrusive hard frightening this wasn’t a planned thing for her she was involved in it ok she was involved in the sense that she had involvement with your brother ok um ohhh you say that you would like to know as much as you could the funny thing about this is they cleaned house pretty good these two males knew what they were doing they had it in essence I want to say planned ok but it could have went one of two ways ok it could have been that he didn’t go missing ok he couldn’t come up with the funds that they wanted ok and I don’t believe in all fairness I don’t believe that you are ever going to find any kind of remains I believe that that is something that is just un approachable ok um I think the hard part here is the acceptance because it was bad enough one but I get three people leaving so it was bad enough that one was leaving but you’ve had three all together that are gone ok the one left with illness the one left with illness the other left with tragedy ..man.. its almost like right here in the pituitary area is where I am feeling a tremendous amount of pain discomfort and I want to call it trauma ok my nose is sore something happed to his nose his hands were bound ok I do not believe that he didn’t have a chance to fight he didn’t have a chance ok I do get the impression that his hands were bound um there’s a I don’t necessarily call it a forest but I can get a grove of trees and then an opening then a grove of trees and then an opening I can see a road but it is not asphalt ok but then it is not dirt either so there is a substance there that reminds me of an old dirt road ok but there is something there and I don’t know if it compacted gravel but it is not asphalt ok I feel like there is also ditches on the sides of the road ok these ditches are possibly 2-3 feet deep ok this would imply water this would imply that at sometime or another water runs through this area ok because it is being traveled its being guided ok in the distance its like I am seeing lights im going to say its away from town ok if I had to take a guess 10 miles 15 miles its not that far out and yet where this is is not where people frequent 24 I can see a white sign that says 24 so its got to be a highway or a byway ok it’s a state road ok 24 uhh your giving me map circumferences that’s what your giving me gj god now I understand you your giving me a G J ok got something here this is a state road ok this 24 this SRI these are map coordinates ok 13 18 G J ok so on one side of the map there’ll be number on the other side of the map will be uh letters ok when you find the circumference I’ll bet you your going to see this state road ok that’s a beginning
Sister: Ok
Karen: I don’t think we ever got this before ok while it’s a white sign a state road umm I am trying to think of anything else closer there’s a metal ok there’s a metal sign ok and its got a bunch of numbers that go up the side and 3 or 4 that might go up the top then there’s a reflector here and a reflector here this is some sort of an old mile post ok its white ok its white in color I don’t know there’s a string numbers theres got to be at least ten numbers with uhhh m j I number number number s number number number d o t t traffic no migs dot there’s like those little things there a lot of information on this thing this is a route it’s a route highway it’s a route its not a highway so it’s a route ok. 1962 who was born in 1962?
Sister: The last of the sisters were ’59 I don’t know about 62.
Karen: OK because 62 1962 is coming real strong ok and its route route is before it ok
Sister: do you think it might be a car?
Karen: oh wow it’s possible its possible uh lets see what month did he go missing? March February?
Sister: uhh no his birthdays February, you did get March last time umm but it was the summer it was like summer of 79 I think
Karen: because you know what I think for some reason that he had something to do I am getting February which you said is birthday
Sister: His birthday is February 9th
Karen: ok so we will circle that because I am getting the month of February then I am also getting the month of March as being significant ok
Sister: now do you get anything about guns or maybe he was selling that or drugs or maybe that doesn’t matter. These two gentlemen are they relative?
Karen: If I had to guess and this is just an educated guess of what I am getting here umm I think that he died in march ok the 1962 its possible that it could have something to do with a license plate I am not going to swear to it because seeing this route sign here with all these numbers there is significance to it I just don’t know what it is. Ok but I see route and I see 1962 ok I feel that he left in March ok I do get the impression of drugs and I do believe that he go over his head he was a in my in my analogy of him I would say that he was someone who enjoyed I little party uh kind of let your hair down I think that he over stepped I think he over stepped with the female the female is brought into this because of some sort of direct involvement with the two males I do feel that there was a large amount of money that was owed ok now
Sister: was the female a girlfriend?
Karen: yeah I think so and I think that this was someone he was seeing prior to him missing I believe that this was someone that he saw pretty regularly ok for an amount of time but don’t believe she had anything to do with his death but I do believe she did know the person that did do the deed. And she is not here in Utah she is either in Michigan State because It is MIGS and then a bunch of numbers here this is a road sign an old road sign. Used to be like a mile marker ok now we just have big ol green signs that stick up with numbers on them this here this here is different this is way old ok this also suggests an old area an area that is not frequented by people ok
Sister: Do you get any inkling with initials or names
Karen: SC SC has to do with the female ok uh martin Mitchell I keep getting males names Martin Mitchell uh my writing is atrocious Martin Mitchell Males umm B B Butchy butchy we are either talking about a nickname or something that one of these males were butchy butchy butcher no butchy butch blue license plate blue and white license plate
Sister: this will help narrow down the state
Karen: yep blue and white license plate MI Michigan state I wonder if Michigan has blue and white license plates
Sister: Yeah I will have to research it in the past because it would have been in 79, its either Minnesota or
Karen: yeah because I am seeing blue and white backgrounds blue white writing ok and there’s significance to it I am also seeing something that appears to be like an el Camino ok because its go the car wagon thing in the back I don’t know why I am seeing it but I am noticing that um hmm I’m going to ask you a question Do you have anything physical of his still with you after all these years?
Sister: Yes, would that help
Karen: Do me a favor bring it in to me because you know I am going to tell you I am getting to many things here umm and I would like to try to use my psychometrics to see if there is anyway I can hone in on this cause I am getting to many different things for it to not be significant but I would really like to put it into order ok
Sister: A piece of paper with his handwriting on it or would that work?
Karen: yeah uh huh
Sister: because I have one of his books and he has all sorts of corrections in his own hand writings
Karen: yeah yes yes uh is there is anything that would have his energy
Sister: yeah because he was typing on this page writing on it holding it
Karen: yeah there is something about this whatever it was he got involved in he got in over his head and he was over his head before he even realized it ok he wasn’t a bad sort
Sister: he was just extremely depressed I mean he left us planning on never coming back but then he didn’t know he was going to be murdered
Karen: yeah exactly
Sister he thought he couldn’t function in his family anymore and it was to painful for us to see
Karen: Yeah no I feel I feel that this person choose to have this involvement with these people and maybe it was out of need do you know what I am saying uh I do get the impression of drugs in the background mmm but yeah I would like to try to hone in on this ok because if I am getting names blue and white license plates butchy uhh
Sister yeah we’ll have another session and you can just focus on that
Karen: there is some kind of significance to this I don’t mind writing down in fact go ahead because its funny whenever I start drawing sometimes its even more than what we thought it was
Sister yeah because sometimes you don’t know like you said early and after a while I might mention the name butchy and someone might go ohmygod
Karen: yeah yeah there is something here that is really its there but I can’t put my finger on it ok and you mentioned guns I saw a gun but in seeing it and hearing it are two different areas for me ok I could smell exhaust that would imply being taken from one area to another ok and not in the seat of a car
Sister: In the trunk?
Karen: mmm hmm mm hmm so I would like to use my psychometrics and see it I could come up with something
Sister: yes absolutely